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WC3 name: Teshin
His WC3 name: NikolasikViolations: Griefing and ruining to a point far beyond what can be “justified” by just being a bad player.
Explanation of the griefing and ruining and general insanely low skilllevel that doesnt belong anywhere near an inhouse game:
buys boots first item as support es going to a trilane, no mangoes or clarities or heals.
at 0.14 he cant save his teammate at top rune cus: he wasted mana on a stupid useless fissure, and then didnt have clarity or mango to get mana for a new fissure.
at 0.46 an out of mana leoric goes to sideshop, in our vision, and freely shops, instead of being killed by us for being in that position with no mana, because es was oom, because of his clueless starting items.
around the 1 minute mark he griefes by following phoenix way behind tower and dies.
instead of saying “sry” or “my bad” he excuses himself with a lie that he wanted to kill phoenix but “he used heal” (he wouldnt kill the phoenix even if he didnt use heal).he is out of mana for fissure for almost a minute, starting from the 2 minute mark, eventho he finally had a clarity in his inventory.
he was told several times to mana up and he stupidly says “i have enough for stun” (he literally just got enough for stun, but he spent 30-40 sec without enough).around 3.20 he uses 2nd spell and his mana is again too low for fissure, but instead of going b a bit to finally use the clarity, he just runs around doing nothing, without mana for fissure.
he then over extends, they go him, he got enough for fissure, but he waits strangely long before trying to use the fissure, and then dies to sunray near tower, right before he uses the fissure.at the 5 min mark our DS rotates to top, we stay to try and get some kills with him before we tp bot.
we go on them and es literally blocks us all away from them with the worst fissure of 2021 (even worse one to come later).
then at 5.15 he for no reason uses 2nd spell when the nearest hero was 800ish range away.this is where it starts becoming too much griefing/ruining and i become tilted (dc too).
12:11 Allies dcaudio what the fuck
12:17 Allies dcaudio ART EU GUYS DOING
12:21 Allies dcaudio holy shit12:43 Allies dcaudio that fissure
12:44 Allies dcaudio jesusaround 7:24 he does another insanely stupid bad fissure that doesnt even hit the target we are chasing.
instead of saying sry or “my bad” for his outrageously bad gameplay, he starts looking at others to blame:
14:30 Allies nikolasik can uatttack
14:31 Allies nikolasik apeluckily i again wasnt the only one that noticed how bad he was playing:
15:01 Allies Kanzzz dude
15:03 Allies Kanzzz you stunned airaround the 11 min mark he should be protecting me while i was farming mid, but he for weird reasons started running towards botlane, then when they went on me mid, he didnt tp to save me, but just ran there, and ofc arriving way too late.
around the 13 min mark es fails to stun the leoric that is chasing me, he stuns nothing instead and i end up dying.
around the 15 min mark hes solo farming top as support, untill he dies from gang.
around 17.30 mark es dies solo top again, while team is fighting bot.
around the 19 min mark, es could tp to 2nd tower bot, to help his team with a fissure, but stupidly walks there instead, arriving way too late.
He has ruined so many of my games lately.
He generally doesnt have a single clue what items to make, what spells to skill, where to position himself on the lane, where to gang, where to protect, where to defend, where to be on the map.Last game it got to a point beyond just being insanely bad, many of his moves, like the suicide min 1 into their tower, or refusing to keep his mana up, or the fissure to block his whole team, or the fissure that was 600ish range away from the target, just is plain and simple griefing.
If it’s not classified as griefing, there is no damn way you can justify having such a horrendous player vouched in a so called inhouse league.
What I truly can’t comprehend, is how hes allowed to play like this over and over and over again, without a single warning or ban ever being handed to him, but as soon as I dont keep taking his shit, I get banned.
Does not seem fair at all.Have there been times where I couldve been much more calm? YES.
Do I always play perfect? NO.
Do we all, including me, from time to time make mistakes? YES.But this game goes way beyond that. Either he deserves an unvouch or an unban for this game, I honestly can’t see a way around it.
I’ll gladly take my ban for not being able to deal with this guy ruining 3 of my games in 1 day, altho ill say i wasnt behaving that bad tbh, all things considering.
It’s funny how I was able to play almost all day, with no issues what so ever, except for the games where this guy was ruining.
I’m fully aware theres a huge skill and game knowledge gap in the league, but it doesnt seem fair to let him ruin that many of my games in such a short period of time without him even taking a simple warning for it.
I have absolutely no interest in playing here again if this is how youre gonna keep doing things.
There should be a limit to how much griefing, ruining and insane noobness one should be forced to put up with in an inhouse league.
I’m asking you to please let this game be the limit.I watched the replay, it was tough to watch.
Somewhere halfway in the game niko stopped trying, for example he found a ward then just pinged, didnt bother to say anything. The team was in a fight so all the pinging was left unnoticed. Then he also died in very avoidable ways, as if trying to let sentinel end faster.The first half of the game nikolasik played very bad as well, that minute 1 suicide was definitely avoidable. I understand that if you have boots you are faster than enemies, but that dive was a clear nono. Maybe with luck he wouldve killed phoenix, but only if phoenix had no brain at all. It was clear for everyone the moment he dived tower he would die, so it wouldnt have been worth it either way.
That fissure at minute 7 might have been the game losing fissure and I’m not sure if it was just bad or intentionally game ruin. Either way I think nikolasik needs to know that there is a bottom line of how bad you can play and that he needs to fear the risk of getting unvouched. Right now people can play as bad as they want and unless youre like koby_fish bad you won’t get unvouched anyway. Put some pressure on this guy’s ass so that he will TRY to play better. This is definitely not the first time I’m seeing such atrocious shit.
So yeh, based on the 2nd half of the game I’d say he needs a ban for ruin as wakeup call, based on the shit he does lately in some games I think he needs a warning that he could get unvouched if he continues this shit.
Every player in FBG makes mistakes “That fissure at minute 7 might have been the game losing fissure and I’m not sure if it was just bad or intentionally game ruin” this is just baseless. No one can say this was the game losing moment, especially not this early in the game. If that´s the case I’ll be able to get 9 players banned each game for “a game-losing mistake” – even Vosje.
If Nikolasik deserves ban from that game i wont specualte about, because frankly TL;DR.
But as someone who has previously advocated for unvouches you have to look at the player.
Niko has improved since joining FBG significantly at that, he is now often picked ahead of 2-3 players every game = no longer default last pick, as it was in the beginning. He has a fine attitude and is actually improving.All that isn’t relevant to this game, danishpride.
Look at this game, the replay and the timestamps.
What you said about this: “frankly tldr”.
Dont comment then, if you dont even bother watching what the report is about.Funny how Niko started playing better since this report, that hes fully aware of.
He clearly needed a wake up call, to stop playing carelessly and recklessly.I watched the replay aswell:
at first to the starting lanes: audio laned as ds vs bash as nerub offlane, ant laned with puck against simba as pugna in mid, and the top started with carpe as dazzle, teshin as spec, and niko as es against quans tusk, doggo leo and fusi as phoe.
Niko started with boots first and 2 observer wards at hand into the game. At that point, es got 208 mana in his pool, so you are basically oom after one fissure. He used that fissure at the rune, but sadly without succeed, cause they couldnt finish anyone off (only that dazzle stayed too long and died at rune against 2). Now at the laning stage, he waited to have his mana back for the next fissure, so they engaged on leo and killed him. Niko got greedy at that point and also chased the phoe behind tower, which had like 10 hp (he wanted to use his advantage with boots first). Phoe used his regen though, so he had to run behind tower, where he also got finished. I didn’t see a gameruin there, mby just a bit too thirsty for dat kill.
When he revived at like 1:30, he bought himself a clarity and a pot and tped back to top. he tried to harrass there with a fissure, but was oom after it again. But after that fissure, sentinel engaged with tusk on dazzle and killed him, but es couldnt do anything anymore, cause he was oom and didnt use his clarity and waited out for his next fissure to regen without like pots or smth. At 3 min, he tried to harrass leo and got engaged after with icewall and ray and leo stun. he tried to back first and when he was about to die, he tried to turn to fissure em, but it was too late, cause they killed him before the fissure. After he revived, he tped back top with a clarity and a healing pot. Now ds also came to gank the lane. Es went to the woods closeby the shop and tried to fissure out the enemy team. Sadly the entire team got stunned behind the fissure and not in front of it. Spec ran with spectral over the fissure and tried to attack em there and ds tried to vacuum them over the fissure, but it didn’t succeed. Niko used his clarity after and stayed on lane to reangage. Sadly he and dazzle didnt have enough mana to safe ds, who was annoyed about the failed gank. Also ant as puck came top as soon after he killed pugna mid to safe the toplane with dd, but in the meantime, na also tped top to help. After that, the trilane rotated bottom. Na engaged invis on es and tried to kill him. The heal of dazzle and his own pot saved niko there, that he didnt get killed.
They followed na after he showed himself and es tried to block that way, where he supposed na to go. It didnt rly work out, cause na just ran to his tower, where he got killed closeby, and also didnt get dmged by the fissure or stunned. His team tped though and now they were in bad trouble:
es and dazzle got killed and spec only survived with a grave. At this point, this game was still winable, cause spec had the same farm as leoric. Only the sync of teamplay of sentinel was better in rotating and helping each other. The 2 sups rotated bottom again to assist spectre. Both got killed again and ant tried to help out with some plays. The chat got more rough now too and spec suggested to ff at 15, cause the map was dark, though dazzle did the entire warding there.After that, the team got outta track too. Es wanted to farm a few creeps while spec and dazzle got smoked ganked in mid. Then spec also tried some solo engages on other heroes, where ds told him to stop and es either went base to regen from enemy team or he died solo top to pugna, where he tried him to echo.
I honestly didnt see any intentional gameruin and since this is also an unvouch request, I don’t see niko as a generally bad player, that he needs to be unvouched. Also he said “warded”, when he sentried the topriver, but since he had no quelling blade or tangos, he wanted to have one of the ranged to deward it, but his team was fighting bottom at this point.
I also believe, that niko innerly gave up that game after all that harrassing in chat, thats why I also believe, its so important to stay mentally positive in the games, cause sometimes the attitude can change games.
Also for future games, I woulda ask as es pos4 es either ask dazzle to buy everything (chick and wards), so that you dont start out as with boots + 2 obs, cause regen is always needed in lane, especially in a tri vs tri lane. I also believe, that an es pos 3 should get boots first, cause when you start in the trilane, you dont need so much mobility, only right positioning to fissure the other team. I think, a magic stick is for the start a lot more useful, cause you can engage more in the teamfights. Also I think, its better maxing out the passive then enchant totem, cause the fissures hit harder then in early and its also easier to harrass then.
That’s only my 2 cents for the game.
Berna
Everything I wrote is either incredibly low play or griefing, you can’t work your way around it.
Starting with boots on a support es on a trilane and 0 heals or manapots or mangos should be more than enough for a warning in an inhouse league.
Already when dazzle died at rune, es couldve saved him if he had normal starting items.
And few sec later we couldve killed leo if es had normal starting items.Quoting myself:
“at 0.46 an out of mana leoric goes to sideshop, in our vision, and freely shops, instead of being killed by us for being in that position with no mana, because es was oom, because of his clueless starting items.”Within 1 minute of the game his clueless starting items had already cost us a death and made us miss 1-2 kills.
Dying twice top solo with support es, within 2½ min, should also be more than enough.
Suiciding tower min 1 too. I watched that 5 times. He can’t justify it in any way. It’s literally griefing. He never even tried to back. His job is to protect his carry and make sure his carry gets farm and/or kills. Even if fenix didnt use a healpot, which ofc he will, when having it in inventory, es would still die trying to kill him, or killing him, which is simply not worth it, and not part of his job.
His job isnt to be constantly out of mana and suiciding chasing useless support kills and solo dying and not going to teamfights.
Several situations at lane in early stage he couldve backed a bit to use clarity, but didnt. He literally just stood there with low or no mana.
From min 2 to 4 he REFUSED to use his clarity. Watching that again is just rough. Theres no excuse for that level of stupidity and recklessness in an inhouse game.Going bot for no reason, leaving spec vulnerable while farming mid, felt incredibly grief like too.
Or how he walks the entire way to the bot teamfight, rather than just tp’ing, which resulted in him showing up way too late. Team was also speculating what es was doing in that moment.
You also cant defend his fissure on nerub near bottom lane. He shouldve clearly just stunned nerub, instead he fissured 600 range away from him, doing absolutely nothing.
As kanzz wrote to him “dude, you stunned air”.You also cant use the “but he cant play when being flamed” argument, when clearly he couldnt play BEFORE he was being flamed (the boots first, the no heal or manapots, the poor fissure and the min 1 suicide was all done before anything was said to him).
The dude lacked basic understanding of the simplest things, like what his job is, what items to buy, what spells to skill. Just like when he skilled frostbite on cm trilane lvl 1 and then aura lvl 2, making him basically worthless untill lvl 3, which totally and utterly rekt us.
Your entire tone on this ban request is that if anyone disagrees they are incompetent or wrong and it’s truly disappointing. Having said that I told you I would take the time to review this personally and I have. Review follows below:
To start with, you proudly tell your team you will play any hero, and say this twice and for teammates to pick last, yet when you are asked to play puck upon completion of the draft you say no and you thought antbug would be playing it… not a great start.
Now for the timestamp references.
:14 – Niko does in fact stun early, but watching from his fog of war, it’s moderately fair to assume there were others on the cliff. Sure, waiting would always work too, but sometimes a pre-emptive fissure can scare people off. Either way, the fissure succeeded in backing the team off and your team secured rune. Tusk and SK did go on puck, who would be able to easily get away. But dazzle runs in and feeds first blood, not Niko I should add.
:46 – Not much to say here, sure he could have gone more aggro, but short of people being on voice chat to coordinate these things, it happens frequently. Usually better for supports to stay in position rather than aggro it unless the carry suggests it, which I see no proof of in the replay of you telling him to go.
1:00 – Yes, Niko does dive past tower to get phoenix… Yet you conveniently leave out the fact he does a fissure that stuns both SK and phoenix in a very well done stun right before this. I understand his efforts to go after phoenix, he was 1 hit away and did have boots while phoenix did not. The risk did not pay off, but again its funny you ignore the very good play he makes here that got your lane a kill, and 1 hit away from a double.
3:20 – Niko waits too long to use clarity, but his mana was very close to being enough for both fissure + enchant totem, I assume he was waiting to use both of those which would have only taken a few more seconds, and THEN clarity. But I can’t be sure. He did get caught, but very nearly got away. Have to point out Dazzle skilling touch instead of grave at lvl 2 would also have remedied this, but again… we only single out Niko despite this being dazzle’s second game changing feed/play. But yes, not a good play by ES, but very unlucky, he was a half second away from escaping this kill and was greedy.
5:00 – Bad stun, Niko went for an aggressive fissure to try and stun, but instead ended up separating you from team instead of just focusing on blocking them off which is the safer play. After this, your team probably should have just retreated, but you instead still dive even knowing your team can not get there. Dark seer follows, you survive with little hp due to grave and he dies as well as rotating puck and dazzle. Bad play, but only compounded by the moves following it by the team. To call this a “game ruining” play is short-sighted and removes all blame from teammates who all made mistakes there. It was obvious they were going to rotate and/or regroup after that missed fissure, better to cut your losses.
7:24 – This sequence involved NA hunting him the entire time waiting to attack. He gets hit in river, and yes fissure missed. But probably from the previous incident he did not want to separate team, and instead re-directed NA further away from tower. It ended up still being a kill. Also when their team rotates to try and fight, Niko sacrifices himself for stun so you can escape. I think this is important to note as you seem to believe Niko is intentionally griefing or to fuck you over. This is not a play that someone who is “intentionally” griefing would do to save a teammate.
15:00 – He tps top to help you as enemy was around, and the way game had been going they had been ganking a lot. Dazzle was also nearby helping to ward. You go to heal, so of course he soaks up the XP…. He wouldn’t be able to TP anywhere else as it was on cd, and there was no one else in sight, with dazzle in range who left and didnt grave him. You should know this as a support, when you can leech XP with no one around you 100% should, and especially in a brutal game like this supports were hurting for gold. Unfortunate play, but nothing to really say here other than that.
17:30 – This is the only play I can’t really explain. Niko knew there was a ward in sight, and pugna caught him off guard which was reasonable since he came from fog. He escapes, but for some reason goes back to try and fissure, and gets caught. He knows already they have vision of that area since there was a fight bot and no one would be able to de-ward it, so I can’t understand his train of thought there. Then again you almost fed the exact same way racing in to pugna and escaping with under 50hp and having to wand. But yes, I can’t explain this one, would have to ask Niko. Either way, not a smart play by him and a feed.
19:00 – He was low hp from lane and had to run back to fountain, wasn’t able to be in the fight and would have had little impact anyways since they got the jump on puck and he died instantly. Really not much to say on this instance.
In summary, I see some poor play by Niko. But I also see a lot of decent plays that were made in the scope of a game that got ugly fast, and with more than just Niko to blame. It is obvious you’re singling him out for some reason while ignoring your own mistakes, and especially dazzle’s early that were very costly. Feeding first blood and poison touch for no real reason had more impact than any early fissure.
I would like to quote you from one of your earlier forum posts, when you said: “how long are you gonna ignore the fact thats its impossible to focus when ______ is blaming and crying constantly even during fights?” I point this out because you were flaming Niko from the first few minutes, constantly berating him and having a negative attitude. This OF COURSE affects players and their mentality, as you can attest to. You also kept urging your team to -gg, spamming it multiple times in different instances and being combative when an admin told you to stop doing so.
I saw nothing in this replay to prove griefing or ruining, as this game was a disaster from start to finish from your team. Niko also made some selfless plays to sacrifice for you (the carry), as he should. This alone should prove he has no malicious intent toward you, and I wish for you to move forward without carrying a grudge. It is unhealthy in a league like this.
Lastly, first you say Niko continuously ruins games and shouldn’t be allowed to do so, and you were able to play your games with everyone else without issue. Yet the very same is true for Niko. You are the first one to complain or believe he is intentionally ruining games, and his game logs prior and after this instance all went well, so that leads credence to the belief that it was simply a bad game and not a trend of “ruining” games or intentionally griefing anyone. No one has ever had an issue with his personality and to be honest I commend him on not speaking back more. The few comments he did utter back were more than provoked by you, and although i wish he did not say them at all, I can hardly blame him.
I will not be issuing a ban as there was no proof of griefing or ruining, it was a complete dumpster fire of a game and other than one dumb play, I see logic or at least the attempt of teamplay. I believe your constant belittling made him gunshy to do risky fissures, and as such did very safe ones that were far away and would not split. Not excusing it, as he should strive to be better but that’s my view. He was also far from the only offender. I would also say he should carry more clarities or at least a mango for early lane stages, but this was not the game changing experience as much as a lost tri lane in my opinion. When most fights occurred early he had the mana to make the plays and tried his best.
I am closing this request and in the future I would hope we can work on being more positive in games rather than trying to tear one down. We are here for fun and for competitive experiences but we are all peers, and Niko is a valued member of FBG who has shown improvement during his time here.
Ban request/unvouch denied.
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