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During the draft dog was asked multiple times about what he wanted to play and was there for at least some of the time proven in replay because he was clicking around heros in the pool. He refused to say anything until the draft was over and picked abba which was already assigned to someone else then refused to swap after captain paused and told him to swap. Initial laning phase was ok until a little before 4 minute when he is pulling creeps while his team gets dived on 3v2. The following rotation fights dog does fine profiting then barely dying. When he respawns he runs mid then tps top and runs in against 4 just before 9 minutes for no reason and dies. There were a few lost team fights not intentional throwing and some free farming until around 17 minutes when dog tps into 5 at t2 tower and dies recklessly for a trade. A few lost team fights later and the game is pretty much over. Dog made urn into boots, a chainmail, directly into radiance and bought 0 wards the entire game after taking position 4 abba when he was asked to pos 2 lina.
01:51 Allies larry44 tomoya
01:53 Allies larry44 what you want
01:56 Allies larry44 my trial
01:57 Allies Tomoya what pos
01:59 Allies Tomoya u want me
02:03 Allies larry44 your suport
02:17 Allies Tomoya can aba
03:01 Allies Tomoya im aba
03:39 Allies larry44 dog?
03:43 Allies larry44 any wishe
03:59 Allies larry44 i kinda want lina
04:15 Allies larry44 dooooooooog
04:18 Allies larry44 stop being afk
07:17 Allies larry44 dog
07:19 Allies larry44 you lina
07:20 Allies larry44 you lina
07:25 Allies larry44 pick
07:36 Allies larry44 omg
07:41 Allies larry44 doooooog
07:45 Allies larry44 can you lina
07:47 Allies larry44 ?
07:55 Allies larry44 dooog
08:02 Allies larry44 me
08:02 Allies larry44 he muted
08:04 Allies larry44 i think
08:12 Allies larry44 dog
08:16 Allies larry44 retardeddog
08:21 All RetardedDog ayuda
08:33 All larry44 dog muted me
08:51 Allies larry44 dog
08:53 All RetardedDog qué
08:54 Allies larry44 dog
08:55 Allies larry44 pls
08:58 Allies larry44 take lina
09:10 All RetardedDog qué pasa
09:14 Allies larry44 take lina
09:22 Allies larry44 dog
09:24 Allies larry44 come on
09:30 Allies Tomoya -swap 2Dog will be banned for 2 days, 1 day for refusing captain assignment and 1 day for griefing. Request approved.
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Start of game is normal and team lane swaps to top to go tri vs tri. Just before 3 minutes tricked has a reckless death being out of position which leads to the whole trilane being wiped. The incident at 5:30 the whole team committed to a fight it’s hard to say that tricked was necessarily to blame for this. After he respawns he roams bot then mid without any profit then back to top while he was gone top got rotated on by mid and both jugg and jak died. He eventually gets back to top and there is a full team rotate to fight top which is not profitable. Minute 16:30 tusk rolls into 5 for no reason and dies with no profit then proceeds to laugh as his team gets wiped. After this point tricked spends the rest of the game nuking waves and taking farm to build non support items while getting no wards which leads to the team being stagnant and eventually the enemy team comes to end. Team had been asking for wards all game and the other support was a trial who could have definitely used the help from position 4 on the task. Tricked also laughs at his core for not last hitting a tower who he had been taking farm from.
16:38 Allies tricked we can gg min 15
16:39 Allies tricked relax
17:10 Allies tricked red bad player
17:11 Allies tricked idk
25:56 Allies tricked !@#$
25:57 Allies tricked tard
25:58 Allies tricked lmao
26:05 All tricked LOL
26:07 All tricked LOL
28:21 Allies tricked -gg
28:23 Allies tricked -get me out
28:28 All tricked i played perfect
28:31 All tricked and they suck
38:42 Allies tricked 😄
38:45 Allies tricked hahahahahhahaTricked has been here long enough to know how to position 4 and having a trial that needs help just adds to the fact that he should have been playing his role instead of building out a position 2 tusk while taking core farm. The attitude also does not help his case. Tricked will be banned for 3 days for game ruin and toxic behavior for which he has a warning this season. Also while reviewing the chatlog iym was being toxic to a trial for which he also has a warning this season and will be banned for 2 days for toxic behavior. Request approved.
27:05 Allies iYm how are u in fbg (talking about a trial)
28:47 Allies iYm let me
28:48 Allies iYm farm
28:49 Allies iYm bot
28:56 Allies iYm waht a retard
28:56 Allies iYm rly
29:12 Allies iYm can we ban
29:13 Allies iYm this guy
29:32 Allies iYm why u join game
29:33 Allies iYm if u gona troll
29:35 Allies iYm retard
29:43 Allies iYm go paly !@#$ing pub
34:09 Allies iYm look at
34:11 Allies iYm our farmer
34:15 Allies iYm -gg
34:27 Allies iYm gg it
34:29 Allies iYm and report
34:31 Allies iYm both of them
36:32 Allies iYm also 0 kills yuger
36:34 Allies iYm promising
36:51 Allies iYm how is yellow in fbg? (yellow is a trial)
40:22 Allies iYm gg it
40:23 Allies iYm come on
40:25 Allies iYm wtf is this
40:42 Allies iYm u are banned trash
40:56 Allies tricked u cant even last thi a tower
41:01 Allies iYm i last hit ur momy
42:01 Allies iYm how
42:35 Allies iYm jakiro (trial)
43:54 Allies iYm who
43:55 Allies iYm vouched
43:56 Allies iYm thsi guy
44:27 Allies iYm gg it
44:29 Allies iYm retards
44:31 Allies iYm jesus christ
45:05 Allies iYm why dont u gg
45:16 Allies iYm type !@#$ing gg
45:27 Allies iYm i msaying
45:31 Allies iYm to those two
45:32 Allies iYm morons
45:47 Allies iYm can u type
45:47 Allies iYm ggProcessing
Everyone in the lobby is expected to be available should they be assigned to captain. Matt volunteered and the best match for him in the given lobby was you so you were assigned. You were pinged 3 times on discord to captain while in the first lobby and told in the game lobby to captain not sure how you were there on the remake, but noticed none of this. Going in afk in the second lobby doesn’t really have anything to do with being told to captain in the first one repeatedly.
MustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:05 PM
ok @Matt @BalenciagaNBoba goMustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:05 PM
@BalenciagaNBoba roll vs matt assignedMustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:06 PM
@BalenciagaNBoba roll or be bannedMustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:06 PM
this works since eveyone has to rejoin the lobby and no one can claim they are afkMustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:10 PM
@BalenciagaNBoba roll vs mattMustardTiger — Yesterday at 10:14 PM
!ban @BalenciagaNBoba 72 captain dodgeThe length of your ban is due to the last time you were assigned captain by me and you decided to deliberately throw the game as well as how excessively you are afk in game lobbies. Your previous 2 appeals this season were approved this one will not be. Make sure you are available if you are assigned captain in the future. Appeal denied.
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I was watching the game and there was understandable frustration from your team for your lack of involvement through the whole game. Making space is fine, but when you don’t join the game until it has already been won by the other 4 players you should expect to get some flak when you are position 2. They did not “spaz out” because the game took longer or wasn’t free they just wanted some participation from their position 2 which was severely lacking the whole game. Their chat is still kind of toxic, but nothing over the line considering the situation and it also seems like you initiated some of the chat that came back at you. There is nothing ban worthy here with everything considered, but they will all be issued a warning for toxic behavior. Request approved.
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Nothing wrong from the start (gets wards/normal items)
At 02:33, he was running in the woods but notices the ping to help kill clock: Looking at the kill moment scene a few times, don’t think it was intentional from Lion to finish the kill, cuz when he orders the attack clock wasn’t 1 hit away from death, so most likely a fuckup cuz spectre attacks first and he ends up killing
At 04:00 weird move.. He does attempt to help AA, but ends up taking heavy dmg under battery.
At 04:40 with the impale/mana drain.. unnecessary death, but also possible he expected AA/spectre to come help, instead of getting solo cogged + battery -> cw ends up dying tho
At 5:30 – he fucks up with the mana drain/impale, loses a lot of hp due to it, and is forced to back (no creeps around to pull aggro away, so either he backs or he dies – there’s a slim chance of him being able to aggro away with the ranged creep, and run back in with rly low hp.. but meh) – AA and spec die (spec death is stupid, he could have just backed out instead of following cw) -> Does look bad ngl
At 6.20 – He impales clock, but allows cw to battery and cog him, leading to another death (Spec moves away, so he ends up getting solo battery/cog)
At 9.50 – He knew they were all in woods (as team just ends up killed at seconds before that), so this death to akasha is bad
At 10:55 – Good indication of him actually trying: He coulnd’t avoid the death here (they dived tower with AA present too), and you can see him attempting to dodge them (avoiding the torrent as well)
At 12:10 – Not much to do: Jugger omnislash followed by bladespin (yasha + phase on jugger.. not getting away lol)
Replay review courtesy of Hyo and double checked by me.
His play was not good and I am sure he would admit that, but he really doesn’t talk much and I don’t blame him after reading the team chat. Literally no one on your team played well and that’s not on him and more likely due to a poorly balanced lobby after looking at the full distribution of players. If anything I am impressed that he didn’t engage in the insults hurled at him there was literally no constructive chat at all it just went immediately to blaming him and threatening an unvouch and you guys, not him, giving up on the game. You say you can’t concentrate because another player is making mistakes, but that is entirely up to you to fix for yourself not up to us to remove your distractions. I’ve heard far more people complain about your chat than about his gameplay so if someone is playing poorly I suggest that you just focus on you playing instead of their play. Your talk about finding better players in EU pubs is irrelevant because they don’t play inhouse. They aren’t playing the same style of game that we are and they aren’t playing against the players in the league in that setting so to say that they are better doesn’t really compare and if you think they could and should be in inhouse then please recruit them because we would be glad to have them. No one is obligated to read your spell skilling document regardless of whether you sent it to them or not. That would be what we call suggested reading and not mandatory guidelines even though it appears he has taken a look at it, but you can’t just expect immediate results in every situation. Also if you just tell him what he should be skilling then I’m sure he would listen as he has in the past. Saying that he is incapable of learning is completely wrong because I have watched his progress the whole season and he has definitely improved as I am sure most of the league would agree. He may have been at an unvouchable level when he first joined, but we have tracked his progress and no one has voted to unvouch him. We have however voted to keep him at trial level because he does still have things to learn, but unvouching him teaches him nothing and just removes the potential you don’t think he has. Just read your words and you should see that you are being hyperbolic over anecdotal evidence from your experience and not mentioning anything he has done well. For example, since the game which you posted this unvouch request he has gone 5-2 winning a game with you and one against you as well as winning one playing lion. If you are only going to look at games that you lose with him then you aren’t really doing your due diligence to make a fair assessment for whether or not he is worthy of an unvouch. In order to do my due diligence I am not only judging by what I have seen or just his successes, I have asked all the admins to weigh in on whether they think he is unvouch worth as well as some players. None of them have said that they would unvouch him if it was their decision. The claim that he took no responsibility and thinks he has done nothing wrong is not reflected in what I just read from him on discord. He clearly acknowledged that he made bad plays; his point is more that everyone played bad (which they did) and that his team gave up way too early (which they did). It appears that he was actually looking for advice and feedback from you on what he did and not trying to avoid accountability or shift the blame. Also on the topic of accountability why not just say you yourself played bad as well and instead say you couldn’t concentrate because he was playing bad? It really doesn’t make much sense to bring up the topic of accountability in this setting given that you yourself seem to be blaming an entire game on one player. Finally and this is the last time I am going to say this (probably not true) but you need to stop relentlessly giving players on your team grief over their performances during and after the game. You are only hurting your own credibility at this point and I am only saying this because I think you would both enjoy the game more and get better responses from those who you are trying to lead/help in the game. Looking at his raw data he is at 38/36 win/loss for 1039.7 elo with 2.4/7.6/9.2 KDR and is rank #27 so there are clearly games you have not been in or seen where he is playing at an acceptable level. This combined with the unanimous vote not to unvouch from admins and the generally positive reviews from other players leads me to believe he should not be unvouched. Request denied.
Another thing I noticed was demons did indeed flame him as you said he did and he will be banned for 1 day since his last incident was a warning.
05:35 Allies demons like
05:41 Allies demons next time i have to support with sicario
05:44 Allies demons i m gonna rageQuit
05:48 Allies demons guys is absolute dogshit
05:59 All demons If i have to support again with sacrio
06:03 All demons I ll leave
07:08 Allies demons fucking lion
07:11 Allies demons ruined our whole game
10:22 All demons U suck
10:24 All demons stfu 🙂Also a sidenote clarification of the rules since you asked in chat. Forfeits rule wise follow the same rules that are built into the game. If it is too early to forfeit legitimately your team cannot forfeit and you have to wait until 15 minutes.
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Pretty minor incident and understandable frustration when you spam him go away while he can’t even control his hero and one line later on is hardly going nuts. This is the first time he has had any complaints about flame or toxic behavior so it will just be a warning. Request approved.
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At around 1:35 shadow gets caught by a skewer and dies this was just a standard outplay though nothing deliberate or reckless. At around 4:30 ds comes and ganks mid and he dies again this was nothing deliberate he was just ganked. At around 8:30 thrall comes and ganks mid and he dies again this was nothing deliberate he was just ganked, but he does start to flame team particularly carlo about not getting rotations. A little before 12 minutes shadow tps top to farm empty lane and gets ganked and dies and again laments that he keeps dying. At around 18 minutes shadow dives past venge to ult 3 then dies then blames carlo and accuses him of smurfing. At around 20 minutes after shadow had respawned and tp bot to an empty lane to farm he gets ganked while rest of the team is mid from a dive fight and dies alone which snowballs into 3 other teammates dying after rotating bot. A little before 28 minutes shadow goes to kill thrall solo while he has low hp and mana and immediately gets ulted and dies this death was completely unnecessary. Around 29 minutes there is a big team fight mid shadow jumps in to ult after teammates are dead and dies instantly without getting a kill. At around 31 minutes while defending base shadow again waits until after teammates are dead to blink in and die to trade for aegis then proceeds to blame your items as the problem while you are 14-3-5 at the time and clearly the reason your team was still in it. At around 32:30 while shadow is arguing with you he gets ganked and killed mid. Just after 38 minutes team smokes in shadow in front gets smoke broken then backs into team then full team wipe combo of mag rp, thrall ult, and warlock rock after being told to wait for 5.
11:26 Allies Mipastew bruh
11:29 Allies Mipastew seer is mid wtf
15:37 Allies Mipastew bruh
15:38 Allies Mipastew u guys
15:41 Allies Mipastew if no one is in ur lane
15:43 Allies Mipastew why cant u tp
15:45 Allies Mipastew i dnt get it
15:51 Allies PinkUnicorn dont talk to me, thanx
15:52 Allies Mipastew this is wat carlo does
15:55 Allies Mipastew when he supports me
15:57 Allies Mipastew he doesnt do shit
16:01 Allies Mipastew against me he tps 2 seconds
16:28 Allies Mipastew fk off
19:12 Allies Mipastew bruhj
19:15 Allies Mipastew this is getting annoying man
19:35 Allies carlorossi do you not see whats going on bot?
19:39 Allies carlorossi very busy lane
19:43 Allies Mipastew ye
19:44 Allies Teshin on other lanes
19:44 Allies Mipastew o busy
19:47 Allies Mipastew that the ycome mid
19:49 Allies Mipastew and u still dont move
19:59 Allies carlorossi relax bro
20:20 Allies Mipastew ward
20:40 Allies Mipastew thnx carlo
20:42 Allies Mipastew dont speak to me again
20:50 Allies carlorossi bro take a chill pill
21:05 Allies Mipastew good thing i bought my own ward
21:06 Allies Mipastew 4 came mid
21:09 Allies Mipastew but carlo is “busy”
25:42 Allies Mipastew yo carlo
25:49 Allies Mipastew u let ppl use ur acc 100%
25:51 Allies carlorossi you ping
25:55 Allies Mipastew WHY ARENT U
25:56 Allies Mipastew sWAPPING
38:48 Allies Mipastew tjhey have pipe and mek
38:50 Allies Mipastew thats the problem
38:51 Allies Mipastew and u ahve
38:52 Allies Mipastew radiance
39:19 Allies Mipastew ya clearly his items
39:21 Allies Mipastew are winning them the game
39:22 Allies Mipastew ..
39:36 Allies Mipastew ya i get ganked mid 3-4 time sbuddy
39:59 Allies Mipastew ur radiance isnt helping us34:44 Allies Teshin shadow solo death number 7
35:41 Allies Teshin so many
35:42 Allies Teshin solo suicides
35:43 Allies Teshin from es
35:48 Allies Teshin guy playing alone
36:09 Allies Teshin go with team once
36:10 Allies Teshin shadow
36:12 Allies Teshin stop solo ai gaming
36:14 Allies Teshin like always
37:33 Allies Teshin 1v5 game
39:10 Allies Teshin wait
39:11 Allies Teshin robot
39:12 Allies Teshin did u just
39:13 Allies Teshin blame me
39:16 Allies Teshin HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
39:26 Allies Teshin im solo playing
39:27 Allies Teshin while u
39:29 Allies Teshin solo suicide
39:31 Allies Teshin over and over and over and over
39:45 Allies Teshin after mid
39:46 Allies Teshin u died
39:48 Allies Teshin 6-7 times
39:48 Allies Teshin solo
40:09 Allies Teshin are u
40:10 Allies Teshin brainless
40:11 Allies Teshin or something?
40:16 Allies Teshin without my radi we had no game
41:19 Allies Teshin b
41:42 Allies Teshin u went lothars
41:44 Allies Teshin with weaver ally
46:10 Allies Teshin u all subpar gamers.
46:11 Allies Teshin -gg
46:15 All Teshin worthless team is wrothless
46:18 All Teshin im over it.After reviewing the game the claim that shadow was solo dying all game was an exaggeration however later in the game there were grief level plays that do deserve a short ban and his blaming the team was toxic so a ban for that as well. Your chat was also a similar level of toxic partially in response to shadow and partially in your own frustration at the game. Shadow will be banned for 2 days for griefing and toxic behavior. You will be warned as a final warning for toxic behavior the next instance being a ban. Request approved.
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Again you are only reporting this game so the other games that you bring up I have no context for what went on and will only examine the results as a tally to check the validity of your claims. No captain is obligated to force positions or heros on certain players just because it is what you think they should do; it’s their right as captain to assign heros, positions, and lanes and in this particular game I saw nothing that would warrant a ban from Pink. Ideally there is a group effort amongst the team during the draft, but that doesn’t always happen and also isn’t mandatory, just what we would prefer to happen. The point that he is captain and he has no one else to blame is irrelevant because blaming is also not mandatory after a loss despite what many people might think. Watching the replay dog doesn’t say anything during the draft and picks cm before Pink picks anything; no one was clearly assigned cm or void and it’s fine if a player wants to pick what is left over because they don’t have a strong preference so there is nothing bannable about that even though you would have preferred dog played void instead. The idea that dog was trying to “fuck zeus by keeping aura lvl 1 untill min 30” is kind of a rash assumption about his intent and is not reflected in how he played the game. Yes Pink was silent most of the game, but so was most of the team most of the time except for you and you were mostly just criticizing, but only when things were not going so well. A majority of the game your team was actually winning and definitely had a chance to win and during those times no one was saying anything they were just playing. Just because you didn’t win doesn’t mean there wasn’t an opportunity to solely due to the points you mentioned. Pink not coming to rosh was not good, he definitely should have been there, but there were only pings and you only told him to come after things were in motion you didn’t tell him “like 10 times” you said it twice. Most of what you are outlining is simply how things went wrong in the game nothing that is a bannable offense, maybe a warning at most, I watched the whole game to see the chatlog in context of game situations and I saw your whole team playing to win for the whole game. There was no blatant game ruining from anyone unless you consider missing the fight at rosh the single reason the whole game was lost which it was not. I don’t know what kind of conversations you have had with Pink, but he is not obligated to not play pos 1 when he is captain just because of a single line with no context nor is that something we as a league would enforce. I went through a week worth of games that you and Pink played together and here are the results.
8-10 overall in games together
5-6 when pink is captain
4 out of 11 games where pink was captain and pos 1 resulting in a 1-3 record
2 instances where you were captain and one instance where you assigned him pos1 resulting in a 1-1 recordThis hardly looks like he has been throwing games by giving himself pos 1 and certainly not 5-6 games in a row and if you are willing to give him pos 1 then I don’t know what you expect him to think about him playing it when he is captain. If you want to have more influence on the assignment of heros and lanes with specific players you are just going to have to captain the games yourself because otherwise it is all just you giving your opinion and no captain is obligated to listen to it since it is not a rule. You yourself said that a captain has no one to blame except for themselves since that is their prerogative. If you want some advice for how to get captains and players in general to listen to your opinion you might want to try presenting it in a calmer and less aggressive and accusatory manner and with half or less of the text. The way you try to get your opinion heard is so excessive at times it makes people want to actively disagree with you or not listen which doesn’t justify not listening, but it certainly explains why someone wouldn’t listen. Another thing to consider is that not every loss is the losing teams fault; sometimes the winning team just plays better and there is no need to find someone on the losing team to blame. I found nothing blatantly ban worthy here so no bans or warnings will be issued. I do however think you should consider some of my advice in order to have a more enjoyable time in the games. Request denied.
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